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Thanks for the info, I really appreciate your help. Another website was saying that Libretro ran on 0.154. Lots of conflicting info on the internet. But what you suggested seems to have worked. Some of the roms run better on mame4all and others run better on libretro. But I think I have enough info now to move forward. I might try making the mame4all and the libretro just be symlinks to my rom repository so that they show up in both emulators, and then I can always just try them both to see which one is better for a specific game. I have over 8000 games on eight systems working now on my cabinet thanks to all the helpful people on this site. Hopefully I can be of some assistance to other people in the future.