well, last night I tried using a different usb hub, and that made no difference at all, so it wasn’t the hub..

I just can’t work it out, I installed debian into a virtual machine and plugged the gamepads in, and they both worked fine, so they are not at fault.

is there anyway for me to force the joy0/1? what infuriates me the most is the fact everything was working one night, went to play the next day, and nothing works, and no matter what i try, they do not work on the pi any-more, i have even tried a different pi, and like i said, re-imaged the sdcard, but no change..i have always used these gamepads and never had a single issue with them before..i guess if no one has any idea i will have to give up and scrap the table..